AI Blunders with the Biz/Dev Bro’s | Ep. 136

In this episode, David and Gary chat about all things movies, debunking AI myths, and the latest tech updates. Tune in to hear what companies need to know to stay current and ahead of the curve.

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[00:00:02] David: AI is no different. AI requires tech. If you're like, " Do I need AI"?

Maybe, but can you do it with a human first? Cause that's okay. 

[00:00:15] David: Hi everyone. Welcome to the business podcast podcast about developing your business. I'm David Baxter, your host joined today per usual by Gary Voigt.

Hello, sir.

[00:00:25] Gary: Hello. How's it going?

[00:00:26] David: I'm recovering from a cold. So I probably sound a little funny, but, um, I'm doing good. I am 

[00:00:32] Gary: You scared off all our guests. didn't want to be on the show with you.

[00:00:36] David: I did. Well, you know, I've heard you can get COVID through a microphone. So no, I 

[00:00:40] Gary: have COVID. 

[00:00:41] David: No, no, I did not have COVID. Well, my wife really, really, really wanted me to have a test to do a test. I was like, no. Why I don't have, I mean, I've had COVID, right? I know what that feels like. This is nothing like that.

[00:00:52] Gary: I thought you're going to say your wife really, really, really wanted you to have COVID. It's like,

that's kind of messed up. What'd you do? 

[00:00:59] David: without me, man. I tell you, that sounds like a vacation to her. I tell you, 

[00:01:04] Gary: I see, She's got 

[00:01:05] David: did I ever, did I ever tell you the story early on in COVID? We're talking a couple of weeks in when the world had just shut down. No one knew anything. Everyone thought it was a death sentence.

No one had a clue what was going on, right? This is before masks or anything. And I, I get. It's it's spring, right? It was March of 2020 and I get allergies like I do every year and I start 

[00:01:29] Gary: Nice. 

[00:01:30] David: and sneezing and my wife, again, like most people at that point in time, you're talking March, 2020, everyone just freaked out.

Right. And so I was quarantined because of allergies into my office for three days. I was not allowed to see a soul for three days.

[00:01:50] Gary: Well, you know how stress can induce physical symptoms as well.

[00:01:54] David: for sure.

[00:01:55] Gary: And during the beginning of COVID, like the, the everyone's going to die phase.

[00:02:01] David: Yep.

[00:02:02] Gary: Yeah. Uh, Stress can actually cause you to have a temperature like shortness of breath and a

spiked 

[00:02:09] David: Oh, nice.

[00:02:10] Gary: And those are two symptoms of COVID before you can go get tested before there were tests or

whatever, when it was just, you know, like, well, if you have shortness of breath, you're probably going to die.

Like, so, yeah, and because of that stress, uh, I would say there's probably a couple of people in my family that probably thought they had COVID for about two weeks. Two to three hours one day after breathing and calming down, you know, it went away, but yeah, that was, that was panic mode.

[00:02:37] David: man, I do not miss those days back when I would clean my donut box to make sure it was disinfected, disinfecting your donut box. 

[00:02:45] Gary: I remember seeing people washing their fruits and vegetables and like dish soap and vinegar and everything

[00:02:52] David: Oh gosh, that would taste so bad.

[00:02:54] Gary: yeah,

[00:02:55] David: All right. Let's talk about something more current. That's not four years old. How about that? So the last week we're going to talk to AI cause you know, that's what anyone talks about now.

[00:03:04] Gary: that's the only thing that exists in tech

[00:03:06] David: That's it. That if you're talking about tech. And you're talking about current events.

You're talking to AI and I mean, that's fine. Cause I think it's fascinating. I have been mesmerized by the, the open AI stuff and Microsoft stuff, and even Apple is coming up. It is currently the end of May. And so probably. Just about the time this comes out, Apple will have done their AI thing. Google 

[00:03:33] Gary: And chat GPT just. Announced their 4. 0 or 4. 0, whatever you

[00:03:38] David: for, Oh,

[00:03:39] Gary: small O

[00:03:41] David: Oh, um, yeah, that's a, that was a couple of weeks back. And so that the whole Scarlett Johansson thing is hot. It's just really fascinating. All of this stuff converging. Cause everyone's chasing the same pile of money. And I'm not sure where that pile of money ends right now. I mean, is like, okay.

So for those who are not nerds, what had happened, what has happened basically is Google open AI and probably Apple in a couple of weeks is my guess is Apple is going to do the same thing. They all showed. A chat assistant, for lack of a better word, that you can talk to very easily and openly. It's kinda like if Siri was useful, um, and or Google assistant was useful.

I mean, it's like the, it's the thing where they wanted to release five years ago when Siri and Google Assistant and Alexa and all that came out 10 years ago. I don't even know how long. It's been a long time. Um, when those came out, that's what they were promising. Well, now the tech can actually deliver.

You can now have a conversation with a computer and it will flirt with you and it will, you know, be so excited about talking to you that. You can now have these conversations and that's a very cool advancement in tech for sure, but it's all happening. They're all aiming for this thing because they want these assistants to be useful and it has gotten them in trouble because they're, they're way out in front of their skis, right?

Scarlett Johansson, for instance, is threatening to sue because the lady, uh, her name was Skye was, uh, so similar to her voice in the movie, her. And if you've not seen her. You absolutely should see that movie. That is an amazing movie. 

[00:05:13] Gary: Brilliant movie. 

[00:05:15] David: and if you haven't seen it in the last five years, you should see it again because today's world of AI watching that, which I watched it for the first time, maybe three months ago.

And it's just crazy. Like that guy was 

[00:05:27] Gary: almost like the guidebook. Yeah.

[00:05:29] David: And that movie is 11 years old. Like this is not a new movie and you can tell this is what they're aiming at. They want to create Samantha, who is the AI. And,

[00:05:38] Gary: Shout

out to Spike Jones. 

[00:05:39] David: that was amazing. Now I will say that movie is the happiest of happiest versions of AI world.

Right. There's no terminator. There's no shit. He goes crazy. Cause he talks to the AI. Everybody's normal and everybody's accepting and loving of the AI and, and our new, new friends and all of this stuff, which I think is lovely for that movie. Um, which since I hadn't seen it before, I was always waiting for the other shoe to drop that something weird was going to happen.

And he was going to go crazy. Like days. What was that day use Machina? That movie with the robot lady who goes crazy and kills everybody. Um,

[00:06:13] Gary: Yeah. X Machina.

[00:06:15] David: ex machina. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. Um, and that's what I was expecting. But anyway, so we're in this spot where we're all aiming for this. I mean, um, even Facebook is going there or meta, excuse me.

I'm never going to do that. Right. With their 

[00:06:29] Gary: going to call Twitter X, so we're

[00:06:31] David: No, that's what now there's no twitter. com. I don't think officially Twitter even exists anymore. It's all 

[00:06:37] Gary: Except for, you know, in the hearts and minds of every single person on the planet, except Elon Musk,

[00:06:42] David: That's fair. That's absolutely fair. I think that's what they want. They want to make it so that we now talk in the, and there's two diverging things. We had humane, which came out with that little stupid pin and rabbit, which came out with the orange box that we're supposed to be AI hardware. Those failed miserably.

[00:07:00] Gary: Yeah. And Rabbit, the company that did Rabbit, apparently they had a lot of problems. Before they changed the name of their company to rabbit, they were a failed NFT company that took on a

bunch of investment money and never delivered as well. So

yeah, they're, they're in 

[00:07:17] David: What now? Humane is now trying to sell themselves according to Bloomberg. So just so, but now, cause we're all realizing we could do this just with our phones, right? 

[00:07:28] Gary: We're still in the NFT phase of AI, I guess.

[00:07:31] David: much yeah. Crypto bros, but they're trying to break the stranglehold that Google and Apple have with, With phones and I get that and at some point we want to look up from our screens and that's what they're thinking because now you put a camera on AI that they showed like 30 minutes of demos of them talking to this flirty AI, which sounded like scholar Johansson and when I say flirty, like, so one thing we did just last week, our team, someone got a meme that you can show chat GPT.

Uh, for, oh, you can show it a picture and tell it to roast them, say, here's a picture, roast this person and it will try to, you know, make fun of them. And even when it's trying to make fun of the person, it's super positive. Like this thing is just the happy go luckiest thing on the planet. Like, oh, he's a silly person.

Isn't he? Look at that funny hat. He wants to be cool. Doesn't he? I mean, it's like, wow, so 

[00:08:34] Gary: it's it's great school, but it

also only has a few things from the photo to kind of, I guess, use as fodder, but it's still pretty cool that it's coming up with the actual jokes. I mean, there's

setups and punchlines. It's,

you know, 

[00:08:48] David: It is amazing 

[00:08:49] Gary: dumb, you know,

[00:08:51] David: but it's like this flirty personality is all it knows. It's, it's going to be super complimentary as though it's hitting on you in a bar. And I think flirty is the right word for it. Cause it's not like it's actually coming onto you, but it's like if you're talking to someone you like, You're not going to say anything negative about them, right?

It's just all positive all the time. And that's where the flirty comes from, but like, here's an example. So my team found an old picture of me that I had this ridiculous purple sequined hat on, and I'm standing in an old, my mother's, uh, bathroom. So 1980 style marble, you know, old school. And the whole roast quote unquote was about the hat, potentially the background, but not anything about my face or anything like, you know, nothing about the dude wearing the hat at all.

Like that was, that was not allowed because that would have been too mean. I think like in the other ones that people did, it was not mean at all. It was. Really 

[00:09:47] Gary: Right. There was one of, uh, podcast before where she posted a photo of herself and asked it to roast her. And it did, it made a comment about, um, I guess her facial expression, but it wasn't mean. It was, it was kind of sarcastic, but also kind of positive at the same time, which was

weird. It was like, you have the kind of smile that, you know, appears as if you're nice to everybody, but you're actually roasting them on the inside, which is kind of funny, but not really mean at the same time, but it kind of fit the description of the photo as well. So I guess depending on what's the focal point of the photo, the first like one or two things that picks from that photo is kind of where it. Where it goes in on use those as the main subject matter. But at the same time, you know, it's, it's not like they would definitely not get hired to roast Tom Brady.

It was super G rated.

[00:10:39] David: Super G rated. And that's fine. I mean, 

[00:10:42] David: I don't need my AI to be mean. I don't need AI to have a personality. I just need it to do the task. That's what I think everyone is overlooking right now. At this very moment, if you ask most AI bots to do a task, and I'm not talking about writing poetry or writing an email.

I'm talking about, here's a pile of books, go read those books and answer questions about the books. If you ask them that, they will fail to give you a good enough answer most times. It's neat and like, ooh, what a cool tool, but I would not want to put that in front of my customers. Because the answers that come back, they might not be incorrect, well they might be. We did one where we loaded all of this

information about the user interface and help topics about one of our pieces of software, really good documentation. We load that into the bot and we say, "Hey, how do I add a user"?

It makes this ASCII art of what the form would look like, which is amazing. The problem is half the fields that put on there are totally fake. They're not in there at all. They're not in the program. And it's not in any of the documentation that we gave it.

If you're a new user learning the system and you see this form, you're like, "I don't see that field, what are you talking about"? Now I'm confused, right? 

[00:11:53] David: And that's what's happening all throughout We are glossing over the fact that the AI can't actually do anything anything 

[00:12:03] Gary: adding the layer of personality is kind

of just like the icing to keep enticing people into investing into these companies without delivering actual real results. That

[00:12:12] David: that's what i'm seeing. I'm not seeing anything That is real substance. Now. I'm not saying that they don't do neat tricks. Don't get me wrong. There's some really neat stuff. And I think you got arc browser and, and stuff like that, where they're using AI to do very neat things. 

[00:12:28] Gary: Yeah. 

[00:12:28] David: And you've got,

[00:12:30] Gary: I was just going to say the way arc does it, where you just hover over a link to a site and it gives you a quick little summary of the content in that site, based on the context in which you were searching is super helpful.

[00:12:43] David: yeah, there's some neat stuff. No, don't get me wrong. I mean, and the stuff with images. Unbelievable. Just unbelievable. But even that, right? Like we had one. Yeah. I see 

[00:12:52] Gary: beautiful images, but it's, it's still hard to get what you're actually trying to, to get, like, if you, if you're like, show me something I can kind of imagine, but don't really need to be specific. And then it can create you, you know, 30 to 50, just beautiful images. But as soon as you start trying to get specific or make specific changes to the content within that same image, that's where it kind of

[00:13:17] David: Yeah, it completely. So it's, it's a, it's the same kind of thing. It's a parlor trick. So you can say, make me a beautiful landscape, uh, from Europe and boom, it'll make it. Now it all kind of has a UI look to it. There's a, there is a look, but if I say, okay, That's a beautiful background. Why don't you add a bicycle to it?

What it will do is completely start over and make a new image of a landscape in europe with a bicycle in it But that original image is lost and you can never get it back now There is some some stuff that you can do if you download the models and do them locally like you'll see some of that 

[00:13:53] Gary: Yeah. Where you, where you can do, um. Kind of like, it's not really like layers in Photoshop, but there, there is ways of using references. So if you generate one image and then you locked it in as your reference and then try to add to it by giving it an authored prompt or something to add to it, it'll use that base image as its reference to rebuild the new one. So it'll be closer, but it won't be like adding a new layer on top of it. Because it doesn't have it in a layer, the background would be transparent. So it doesn't have any, I guess it doesn't know where to put the bicycle in context in relation to the other elements within that image. So yeah, like scaling would be wrong. Lighting would be wrong. All that stuff would be wrong.

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[00:15:14] David: Imagine you have a big spreadsheet of data. Oh, let's say it's thousands and thousands of records, hundreds of columns, thousands of records. It's just not human consumable anymore. You get a download, whatever you have, this huge spreadsheet, and you can say here, chat, GPT or Gemini or Claude or whichever one you want to use.

Here's a big spreadsheet. How many times has a customer done X? How many customers are using this? You know, and, and you could do that all in Excel, right? You could do that math and pivot tables and this, or you literally can have this thing spit that out in a minute

[00:15:48] Gary: Yeah.

That is super helpful. 

[00:15:50] David: where it's like, oh my gosh, that is huge.

How many customers have we visited in the last month? You could do that math. You could, that's not anything like super hard. But you got to know, you got to write the queries, you got to write the code, whatever it is that's, you know, filtering and all that, or you could just ask a hundred questions in the time you could answer one doing it the old Excel way, man, that's powerful.

Like that's, that's where I think it's really, really, really good at give it a pile of data and have it ask very specific questions about that data. And where we're trying to play with is, can it make leaps to the next data? For instance, I have a, I'm a bike company and I have a spreadsheet of all of my bikes and all the parts and when they've broken down and you can say, okay, this, um, these shocks, this brand of shocks based on all of your, your repair data that you've done, they break every.

You know, four to six months. And so you can, you know, you can kind of ask it these kinds of questions. Now, the question that I don't know is like, if this guy's come in here and he's got, I've got three years worth of data, when's the next time his shocks are going to break? That's where I'm, what's we're playing with.

Right. Can it make that leap? I'm not sure yet, but that's very cool

[00:17:06] Gary: Yeah. That's making me think of, there was a new startup that I just saw recently in one of the newsletters I get, but it's something that I thought already existed, but I guess they're making it a little bit more commercial where if, if you have a new house or you're renovating or whatever, and you walk into a room, an empty room, and I think it needs to be empty, like no furniture there already or whatever.

[00:17:28] David: because people have that.

[00:17:29] Gary: Yeah,

[00:17:30] David: Just empty rooms sitting in their 

[00:17:31] Gary: it's for, if you're like remodeling or decorating or whatever, and you take, you know, photos of the room, it'll stitch the photos together and create a 3d model. And then it'll make recommendations of furniture, colors, you know, wall decorations, and also chart out where you can buy them from, what the prices are, when the estimated delivery of such items are, or if they're close enough to your house, where you could probably travel there to get it. Or it'll give you like a full on. List basically everything an interior designer would do, but quicker. And then I went and I looked on the website a little bit deeper and all the examples that they had were examples that they made specifically, there was no real real world examples. Nobody with testimonial images showing what it did for them. A lot of promises, and this, I know this kind of tech has already been done in apps for a while. We had someone on the podcast that did something similar to this with old furniture. If you're refinishing furniture, you take a photo and then you can get AI and AR will help kind of generate images of what can be done to make it look better, make it worth more. Um, but still did not see any actual real world results. And I'm

curious to know how they're getting more and more funding to keep this going without actually having proof that this works.

[00:18:56] David: well, I think I, we used to use a company. We had our entire bonus room. It's drawing a blank what the name of the company was, but this was years and years ago, seven years ago, where we were buying some new furniture. It was a, it was an empty room, right? We, it's a new house. We'd never had a bonus room before.

So we're like, Hey, what can we put in here? And. And I, I'm, it's escaping me, but you would basically give it to mentioned very similar to what you're talking about, but it was humans. It was all interior designers who would do it for you. And then they made money on the, on the, they, they charge you a very small fee, but they made money on buying the furniture through them.

And it was very cool. We did the whole thing. They liked really expensive furniture, which was tough. So we would find similar stuff like, you know, at, at. What is a home goods and stuff like that, um, or Wayfair or whatever, that was cheaper, but, um, yeah, they're going to like William Sonoma and not William Sonoma.

What am I 

[00:19:46] Gary: Importing marble from Italy.

[00:19:49] David: Yeah. Peer peer one and those sorts of, but I think one of the things startups do a lot is they think because AI is hot, I have to use it now, but in yeah, yeah. It's just like any tech. Can you do your startup idea without tech? And the answer is yes, almost all the time.

Now I'm going to, I'm going to rave on, on a local company here that just came to mind, we're actually going to interview, um, their founder soon. Um, so it's a little preview, but, uh, so I've been early user of this company called, um, okay, this is going to be an edit. Cause now I just frigging lost it. 

[00:20:25] Gary: Big buildup. 

[00:20:27] David: Big buildup. Yeah. Okay. Hold on. I know what it's called. It's, uh, let's go. There we go. All right. So I back here. Okay. So I've been working with, and not even working with, that's not even the right word. I'm a customer of this company called Let's Go. Let's Go Raleigh is the name of them. Again, we're going to interview their one of their founders soon, but they are a perfect example of this.

So basically you pay them money and they will help arrange dates for you. And it's very cool. So it's a date night for me and Jen and they pick out the restaurant. They pick out if we're going to go do anything before and after the restaurant. And even cool. Like if I'm going to go see a show, I'll say, Hey, I'm doing a fun thing.

We're going to go see a show. Can you make a date out of it? And they'll add stuff. Boom, boom on both sides. And all of this, the, the entire startup up to this point, they're changing it now, but up to this point, all text driven, no tech whatsoever. When I signed up, they have a website you pay for and you sign up, right?

Very basic stuff. But then after that, it's all text. It's a human texting me saying, Hey, I'm setting up a date for you. What do you want to do? Here's some options, blah, blah, blah. No tech at all, except for a phone number that I'm texting. And they've grown and they've had, I don't know, lots of paid users.

And now they're like, well, okay, we're seeing something here. We've got traction. Now we want to turn this into an app. We want to turn this into a product. And I'm like, that's the way you do it. And they're just great. I mean, aside from the product is very cool. Yeah. It's just the right way to, to do this kind of thing.

Cause they're going to a pretty long, they're making money. They're making revenue and they have very little tech. They have spent very, very little on any stuff. And I just think that's so amazing. And this is what we recommend. And 

[00:22:10] David: AI is no different. AI requires tech. If you're like, "Do I need AI"?

Maybe, but can you do it with a human first? Cause that's okay. 

And then, you get that process down and then you say, "Can I automate this? Can AI help here, here, here"? Yeah, probably, but don't get ahead of yourself. That's where I find a lot of people. I have to go straight AI until you have a product.

You don't need AI. I think people just like to skip over that whole product thing

[00:22:37] Gary: Yeah. And for every humane and rabbit, there's hundreds and hundreds of smaller companies and startups that try to just go full bore AI that I'm sure we'll never hear of.

[00:22:48] David: The one thing I'll give Microsoft credit for. And then we didn't even talk about Microsoft. They just came out with a whole new thing of their co pilot plus PCs, which is the worst name ever, but they 

[00:22:57] Gary: Oh yeah. 

[00:22:58] David: have all this crazy stuff in now your windows box.

Like they have this thing called recall, which will allow everything you do on your computer, the computer will remember, and you can ask questions. No problems with that whatsoever. I can't imagine anyone has any problems with that. But here's the thing, your computer's doing it 

[00:23:15] Gary: Total recall. Hmm.

[00:23:17] David: Yeah. Well 

[00:23:18] Gary: They have, they have another computer called the Shermanator, but

it's not supposed to be scary at all. No, I'm just

kidding. 

[00:23:23] David: out. Um, but one thing I love about Microsoft is their approach to this AI stuff is this copilot concept, which is not replacing you. It's helping you. It's coming alongside and like they showed a demo of a kid playing Minecraft and there's an AI. That is watching him play Minecraft.

This is that multimodal stuff. It's watching him play Minecraft. It recognizes it's trying. He's trying to build something, but he's doing it wrong. And it's offering him suggestions. Like you've got a buddy playing with you, an expert. Minecraft person playing with you and saying, Hey, Oh, it looks like you're trying to make redstone or whatever.

And you can grab this, this, and this, and you can do that. And it's talking to you. It's telling you that like, Oh, cool. Thanks, buddy. That is wild. And very, very cool. It's like you have a buddy as opposed to a replacement, which is where I think a lot of the AI companies are. Aiming at it's almost a replacement rather than a buddy, a helper.

They're done this with code forever. Like we were talking about before we have a code helper. They're not writing our code. They're helping us write our code better. 

[00:24:24] Gary: Are you excited or do you have any idea of what's coming from Apple? I know there's a lot of rumors, like when they

announced the WWDC and how they're

going to incorporate AI. I know they've been talking to all the other companies. Different AI companies, whether it's open AI or even Google. Yeah.

I

really don't know what's going to happen with that other than maybe a better Siri.

[00:24:45] David: series definitely getting better. My, my thinking is they're going to come out. With an iPhone 16, I guess that's going to have a big fat neural engine on it, which is what they call their, 

[00:24:57] Gary: A talk to me, Siri. That's probably going to talk back and be more

[00:25:01] David: And it's going to be all local. That's their shtick is it's going to, like we were saying with Microsoft, they're going to put it in on the phone, which is no one's doing that right now.

They're going to, they're working with somebody they've said is chat GPT. Who knows what it is. I would love it if it was somebody else, like bringing Claude in here and get him some anthropic, some love or something like that, but it'll probably be chat GPT, but.

[00:25:27] David: If you bring that bot onto your thing, Siri is now very useful. She is looking up stuff on your phone, that's where I think it'll be mostly focused on the phone.

Think about it Apple's way behind google in a lot of this stuff. Google and Samsung have been doing the photo play things, erasers and moving people around in their photos. Apple's done none of that. So that's got to come in, right?

There's step one and they're going to, you know, no one's ever done it like us before. Please. That's their whole shtick.

[00:25:54] Gary: Yeah. Well, they do the cutting out things for like stickers, but they

don't do the editing. Yeah. They don't do the editing like Samsung and Google.

[00:26:01] David: Yeah. You take five pictures and it, and it makes one with the one where everyone's smiling and looking at the camera. Cause it merges all five of those together. That's coming, most likely. The erasing is coming, most likely. They'll have fun names for all these and make it sound like no one's ever done it before.

Siri will be useful. The question is, when will it go to the internet and when it won't? I'm very curious about that. 

[00:26:24] David: Because most of the time you ask serious questions. So let me go look on the web and here's a link. Well, that's not helpful in my car. Right. And so that will, that will happen.

And so, but outside of that, I don't know. I don't, I 

[00:26:38] Gary: I would find super helpful if. Siri can interact with the other apps as easily as it could interact with native Apple stuff. That would be super cool.

[00:26:48] David: Yeah. You know, you

[00:26:49] Gary: for instance, like instead of

Apple Music. Like if you were like, Hey, I know I'm listening to this, but go back to what are the albums this artist made?

Cause you can't do that now.

[00:26:59] David: Yeah. Come on. You know, you know, darn well, Apple don't play well with others. There's no way that they're going to allow third party developers to do this. 

This has been fun. Hopefully you guys got something useful out of this. Um, if you didn't write to Gary at Gary at the big pixel. net and complain to him. Cause I don't want to hear it.

[00:27:19] Gary: forward those complaints to our editor and Christy and be like, guys, what happened? You're supposed to make us look like

[00:27:24] David: Drop the ball. Clearly it wasn't the talent's fault, right? We use the word talent very loosely. Alrighty. Thank you guys very much. We will be back next week.

[00:27:41] OUTRO: Hi, I'm Christy Pronto, Content Marketing Director here at BigPixel. Thank you for listening to this episode of the BizDev Podcast. We'd love to hear from you. Shoot us an email, hello at thebigpixel. net. The BizDev Podcast is produced and presented by BigPixel. See you next week. Until then, follow us on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, Threads, YouTube, and LinkedIn.